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Savage: Schools Are America's Battleground
January 29, 2004

By James L. Hirsen, J.D., Ph.D.
contributor to

Editor's note: This is the conclusion of's exclusive interview with Michael Savage, author of the new best seller "The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military." See part one.

NewsMax: What do you think about the arguments against the war in Iraq?

Michael Savage: They're really out of their minds. History teaches us one thing. You know, I was watching "The Barbarians" on the History Channel. It's a great series. So France tried to placate one of the barbarian hordes by giving them 10 tons of silver and gold if they would go away and leave them alone. Instead, their appetites were whetted and they said, "Look what we could get without fighting." Then they went in and sacked the whole country.

That's exactly what al-Qaida wants. They want more of the appeasement that we got from Clinton. And they figured that they were going to have an appeasing president. They miscalculated Bush.

And Bush is a hero on that front. He's facing a Nazism of the worst kind. These people are more virulent than Hitler. Given the chance there would be ovens around the world burning Christians and Jews. They have said so. They want to convert us and kill us.

I don't know how much more we have to hear. We are in a global war for our survival. On that level alone, Bush has done a great job. Unfortunately, the message has been dimmed by the Democrats, who make it sound like he invented the whole thing for political reasons. It's just crazy.

NM: They tell us that foreign policy is complex

MS: It's not much more complex than fighting for your survival at a certain point. We are not the French where we have to, you know, buy people off. Clinton bought people off for eight years. He was a master of deceit. But everyone knew the piper had to be paid at the end of the road.

Well, we've paid it, you know. We've paid it. We inherited this. I almost think that he set out to do this. I have the weird feeling sometimes that he set it up so that everything would collapse when Bush took over, because he knew he couldn't run again.

I think he's the devil. I truly do. I actually think that the man is demonic. But I don't want to spend my time talking about him. He's not the issue right now. The issue is the election, and does it really make a difference? I think it does. Let's take one issue.

Why the Slight Differences in Parties Matter

The one issue, partial-birth abortion. It doesn't get any worse than that. It's infanticide by any other definition.

Remember under Clinton, the House and the Senate voted to ban it. Clinton vetoed them. One man. One man beholden to the abortion industry. That issue alone is phenomenally an important issue. So there are differences in the parties, however slight. They are slight, but important.

Notice we are being harangued every day with a racial lecture? Notice what Dean started to push? We need a national dialogue on race. He was going to bring that up again. He was trying to insert the demagoguery of black versus white and white versus black. And gay versus straight. The stock in trade of the left-wing demagogue. Bush doesn't do that. Bush rarely, if ever, has done anything along those lines.

Clark as 'Dr. Strangelove'

NM: What are your thoughts on Wesley Clark?

MS: Clark is Dr. Strangelove. He could be a very dangerous man. Plutarch wrote, "Life out of uniform can have the dangerous effect of weakening the reputation of famous generals." As he was talking about Pompei, he said, "They are poorly adapted to the equality of democratic politics." Does that sound like Clark?

NM: Oh, yeah.

MS: He wants, in other words, to dictate to the people the way he did as a general. So that's his problem. I think that comes across in Clark, that sort of meanness and desire to have it his way without any debate.

I don't get the same eerie feeling about Kerry. I'm the first one to say that Kerry looks like Lincoln.

NM: He is sort of Lincolnesque.

MS: He's a revisit of Abe Lincoln. If you look at that persona of sadness and weight on his shoulders, and all that. But I'm not saying that he's going to go to the Booth Theater for a front seat at the opera. I'm just suggesting that that's who he reminds people of, and they don't even know it. On a national level, I think they see Lincoln when they see him.

NM: Is Kerry the most electable of the Democratic contenders?

'Kerry Can Beat Bush'

MS: That's an interesting question, you know. First of all, I think Kerry can beat Bush. I'm very concerned, because a lot of people like his real military history as opposed to Bush's. And they are tired of the war because the Democrats have made it, and the media have made it, an evil thing, even though it isn't. And because they have the perception that the Republicans have sold out to big business, which they are, but so are the Democrats. Where the hell did their money come from? It comes from the rich people.

NM: People say that Michael Savage uses provocative language

MS: Yeah, right. I do.

NM: "Stench from the bench."

MS: They don't like it. I call them a red-diaper doper baby. It really gets under their skin. That one has really cut them to the quick because they know it's true.

I'm their enemy. I'm the opposition. I'm part of the opposition, and I'm a pretty good runner on the field. So naturally they are going to run me down. Try to run me off the field. And try to say that I'm not playing fair. I'm just quicker than they'd like me to be.

'I'm Radioactive'

NM: Will you ever do TV again?

MS: (Laugh) What - you have an offer?

Of course, I would do it again. But they are not going to offer it to me again. I'm radioactive. They are a bunch of cowards.

I'm a real talent with a real audience. I just don't think they have the guts for somebody who is outspoken, frankly, as I am.

NM: In your book there are so many personal anecdotes. You've gotten into stories about your past and your family, and then they are juxtaposed with the real issues contained in "The Enemy Within."

MS: I try to begin every chapter with a personal story, such as the "dead man's pants, when I was a kid" story. Because I think just another political diatribe can only go so far. But family and humor, it's sort of like the old humorists of the '50s who were very, very popular for a while, you know, like Mark Twain wrote in that manner.

I just want to take it from there to the political. So I talk about me wearing dead man's pants and my father trying to sell me on them because we were poor. I then talk about liberalism as trying to sell dead man's pants with a smile. They are tried and trued and failed ideas. And we all know that they are dead man's pants, but they are holding them up. It may be the latest style that we never heard of before.

Like here's socialized medicine, but we'll call it something new. Let's dust it off and call it universal health care. You know, it's dead man's pants!

It's easy for me to say it's bull****. First of all, you can fix the system by making people pay co-payments much higher. How many people just go to the doctors for entertainment because they are lonely? And they like the attention of a doctor? Make the co-payments $25, and make them pay the first 25 bucks of any prescription. You can balance the whole system out. Why is that so hard to do? I don't understand why it's so hard to do. And I think that it should be done immediately.

See, then we can all have health care and we could afford it. But this idea of the freebie is Cuba-style, and it's going to collapse the system.

Secondly, the system is just ripped to shreds by the Mafia. There's a doctor who whispers to me what they are doing to them. Owning the ambulance services, fake patients, fake bills, you know. They are bankrupting this country.

Red Judges

NM: One of your chapters is "Stench from the Bench." What happened to our justice system?

MS: The standards got lower and the courts were infected by these red-diaper doper baby judges. They moved them in.

Why do you think guys like [Sen. Charles] Schumer scream like hell about "extremism" and "hard right" any time somebody with a moderate stance appears?

Schumer is a classic example of an extremist, which is why he screams so loudly about extremism. He's like an ambulance chaser from Brooklyn, this guy. Every time I see him, I cringe. I cringe. I mean he's like an ambulance chaser.

NM: And the "Stench from the Bench" is judges making the laws?

MS: Yeah, this is a sensitive topic. And it's hard for me to say it, but I read a book five years ago written by a woman attorney, a Harvard scholar. She said that the system collapsed when too many women and minorities were pushed into the legal system for political reasons. She said they didn't have a respect for the system or the law. They didn't understand that they were inheriting a great system. They thought it was all about a political machine to be used for political ends because they came up that way of extreme liberalism.

NM: As the author, which issue in "The Enemy Within" do you feel is the most important?

In the Government School Monopolies

MS: I want to point out the school chapter more than any other chapter, because when we were researching this book I couldn't believe what I found.

If you look at that chapter, the CDC program for schools, it's so utterly beyond anyone's conception. They would think I invented it to sell books. You have to see what the proposed programs are for our school system, and how deeply the homosexual agenda has penetrated virtually every aspect of our society. And, yeah, I'm sorry I have to say that because, you know, it's just there.

I want people to see what's going on with the schools. We all know what they've done to our churches. We know what they've done to our courts. But the "Condoms on Cucumbers" chapter on the schools is really a must read. The death of innocence.

And I'll summarize it in one sentence. It's on page 177. It reads, "I'd like to know what degenerate thought up those guidelines for sex education. Kids at that age need to learn about fair play on the playground - not foreplay in the backseat. They should be singing 'I Want to Hold Your Hand,' not 'I Want to Hold Your Gland.'"

NM: Some people say that the school system has so degenerated into this federal indoctrination center that what people should do is drop out ­ home school, private school, vouchers and the like. Is that your feeling?

MS: No. No, I think it's an alternative, but not everyone can do that. I think that the trick is to send your child to the public school and fight the administration, and not let them run rampant over the child. I think if more people stayed in the system, we'd have a better system than running from it.

And that goes to the whole political structure. What are we going to do? Run away from it and form our own little societies? Or, are we going to try and change this country by doing what we do. You write. I write. You know what I mean? We speak. [end of interview]

In "The Enemy Within," Michael Savage speaks loud and clear. Pick up a copy and hear it for yourself.

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